Interviews

1. Your music is played under the black metal flag,and as we all know black metal became from satanistic ideology that somehow is oposit from your political attitude wrom My point of view metal which dealing with ancient cultures are Pagan or epic metal,do you see things maybe like me….?

I have never been supporter of Satanism. Capricornus and Karcharoth were responsible for satanic elements in Graveland image. But I had nothing against it. But finally I stopped accepting Satanism as I understood two things. First of all, Satanism is a part of Judeo-Christian religion. And as a part of Judeo- Christianity, Satanism is alien to the indigenous culture of our forefathers. Satanism should be rejected as a part of enemy propaganda. We have never been slaves of Judeo-Christianity and we will never be!

Secondly, Satanism is not a total denial philosophy or religion to Christianity because Satanism is based on opposition to Christianity so it means that Satanism in its background affirms the existence of Christian god. So Satanism affirms Christian dogma, even if in supporting its dark Satanist philosophy. Which still is a part of Judeo-Christian traditions . There are Christians who lose faith in Christian dogma. But when they see that there are so many Satanists they start to believe in Satan again and it makes them stay in the enslavement of Judeo- Christianity. Very often Christian church uses Satanist for their own propaganda means.

And I, as an eternal enemy of the catholic church and of other institutions of mind enslavement, cannot accept that. I do not approve Satanism. I got rid of it from my life as I got rid of Judeo-Christian disease.

Church hierarchs are deeply moved and alarmed by the fact of reminding people about their roots and beliefs and traditions of their forefathers. This is the real threat for alien religions that were imposed on European nations by force!

I am trying not to identify with BM but it is not easy as Graveland started with playing BM.

Aryan Genocide Propaganda 666 ZINE '2005 / Serbia

2. Slavonic Nazionalism versus Nazism which I read in Eclips # 6 penetrated inside of My thoughts about Slavonic pride,streinght,wisdom..etc and everything that descript Aryan elit,so it was strenge for My Serbian spirit why Poland salut to the Hitler instead their own ancestors..?Please explain to me Hail Hitler phenomen in Poland …

In Poland many people refer to Slavonic heritage as many refer to German. And I think that those who refer to Slavonic culture are the majority but they do not make big show of it. For me there is no difference between pagan beliefs of Vikings and Slavs. The names are different but the core is the same. Different stories but the same Gods with the same attributes. The ideologist of the Third Reich were responsible for the division between German Aryan world and Slavonic world. They distorted the historical facts in order to separate from Eastern world. Communist did the same but they of course favouritized Slavs.

This division is artificial because there are signs of presence of different pagan tribes of Nordic roots as e.g. Goths on our lands. Vikings settled on the distant lands of Russia . Each year I visit stone circles in the northern part of Poland . These stone circles are created by the Goths. I pay homage to the true Gods of these lands there. Poland waged war against Germany and its territory was under German occupation so now some people are surprised that in Poland there are people who refer to German neo-Nazi ideology. The true is that Poles need strong and powerful authority…there is no such a person. For many Poles the Pope was such a person but he was not the strong leader. And he was the authority only for Catholics. I think that the past is not important. Of course we cannot forget it but we cannot let it obscure today's problems. We should unite by the White Man because White people are the minority and other races reproduce without any obstacles. Soon they dominate us. And they do not need weapon for this. In ancient Times when our forefathers worshiped pagan Gods, there were no Germans, Poles or Russians…no one waged religious or ethnic wars…War had other meaning and was used for other aims…

Aryan Genocide Propaganda 666 ZINE '2005 / Serbia

3. In few interviews I read your opinion about white man domination on inferior race, science is main weapon for white civilization,but white people have used many things that,ancient tribes in South America have been descover even 3`th rich used that,In my opinion we cant proclaim that someone is barbaric and inferior because he haven`t got white skin and he do not live inside Europe territory.

I do not have to discriminate anyone. I do not have to call anyone inferior. The history of the world makes it for me…Who was superior and created powerful culture…history says that. And on the history I base my attitude to other people and other nations. I do not need third Reich ideology for that. History shows people, who they were, what they wanted to achieve…who was the warrior and who was a slave…who was a hero and who was a traitor…who built and who destroyed…the history shows people with clean blood and mind of inspiration…history shows who conquered new lands…history shows people holding swords…and the same history shows people holding dung-forks! Everything depends whom you identify with…

Aryan Genocide Propaganda 666 ZINE '2005 / Serbia

4. In N.S ideology I was only attraced with their esoteric side that mix black magic with mass manipulation and represent Hitler as tool of evil, What is your opinion about Ocult Raich philosophy……? ( question about spiritual side..)

I think that Germans tried to find some other spiritual values for the nation because judeo-christian values did not match their ideology. Himmler ordered some actions in order to restore ancient pagan beliefs and adjust them to XX century realities. His interests went beyond pagan beliefs because he was interested in occultism. Associations as Ahnenerbe were created. Scientists, philosophers and visionaries studied ancient myths of a White Man. They started searching of Holy Grail and roots and cradle of a White Man. German scientists of Ahnenerbe traveled to Asia and in Tibet they searched for the cradle of a White Man. Great mystic and philosopher Otto Rahm went to the Cathar temple in Monsegiur castle in search of Holy Grail. The knowledge they achieved was used for the benefit of Himmler elite, that is SS. At the same time many secret associations appeared which united occultism and pagan beliefs and paid homage to the ancient Gods. One of such associations of the Sun worshipers had their residence not far away the place I live now. Few years ago archeologists discovered graves of these people and their cult place in the mountains in Szklarska Poreba. Soon I am going to visit this place. I think that the occultist knowledge was kept in secret and only few people knew it. The society was not familiar with this secret occult knowledge.

Aryan Genocide Propaganda 666 ZINE '2005 / Serbia

5. Somewhere I heard that Jews take in their hand monopol on bigger company with purport to suffocate the N.S and right winged bands,do you heard something like that maybe or it is another rumor…?

They do not have control on all big companies but I think that all companies are afraid of them because in our world if you get “anti-Semite” label it means that your incomes will go down. The products of such labels are boycotted by the distributions. Jews try to camouflage their aspirations but their deeds betray their activity. They know that the mass media hold the keys to the power…who controls the media, and thus control the minds of the electorate, have power undreamed by kings. Now Israel and USA can realize their plans of enslavement the world because the mass media controlled by the Jewish lobby present false image of contemporary political situation. And now all Middle East is brimming with hatred. Israel undermines the order in entire region and in Europe no one dares to critique this situation. There are huge organizations as ADL which aim to hinder the existence of NS bands. ADL gets huge amount of money from Israel on their activities. And ADL uses terrorists methods of fight against anti-Semitism all over the world.

Aryan Genocide Propaganda 666 ZINE '2005 / Serbia

6. Farewell is an appropriate title for INFERNUM's second musical chapter since it symbolises the end of the band. How do you view this special release and the closing of INFERNUM?

“ Farewell” is the title that symbolizes the end of one chapter in the history of Infernum…the end of Capricornus and my work in Infernum. But it is not the end of the band. There are people who played with Karcharoth in Infernum and after his death they are going to continue the band. Some time before his death, Karcharoth reactivated the band and started recording third album of Infernum. The sessions was not completed. Karcharoth committed suicide. But these new members of Infernum decided to finish recording and release this third Infernum album.

“Farewell” is an old material…about 10 years old. It comes from not completed recording session. Capricornus recorded drums, Karcharoth guitars. I composed great atmospheric keyboards but I did not manage to record it because of Karcharoth's mental breakdown. After Karcharoth's mental breakdown many things happened and we decided never to release this material…and we hide the tape with recorded material. But after Karcharoth's death many things have changed and we changed our minds and we decided to finish and release this material. I recorded keyboards (but different than the old ones because I have already forgotten what I composed so many years ago), Capricornus recorded bass and vocal. And this is the end of our adventure with Infernum.

THRASHING RAGE Magazine '2005

7. What kind of images come to your mind when remembering those days, 10 years ago?

We did many strange things because we wanted to extreme no matter the consequences. Our lives were to be short and extreme. I remember that Karcharoth and Capricornus were to live together in one flat. They were to sleep in the coffins and have black curtains in the windows in order to the daylight did not disturb them in the contemplation of the ancient knowledge about the Darkness. The cult of devil was rather funny fro us and we were biassed in favour of the bands that made a parody of the cult of Satan…our admiration for the creativity of Mortuary Drape was an evidence of our attitude…Karcharoth studied Crowley, I was keen on druidism and Capricornus tenebre. And so we slowly lost the contact with the reality. Darkness totally preoccupied us. I could tell you about many stuff we did at that time…but what for? No need to come back to these dark times…hehe...and the Karcharoth had the mental breakdown, the police started to invigilate us and our instincts of survival stopped us for a while and showed other ways…Karcharoth ended the relationship with us…changed his ideas and started to be keen on communism!!! His schizophrenia destroyed him. His trip to Norway in order to kill Fenriz is just one of the proofs of his sickness. The excuse for his plan to murder Fenriz was trivial. Karcharoth maintained that Fenriz has stolen him CD (he traded CDs with Fenriz and he sent CD to Fenriz and did not get any CD from him). So Karchaorth prepared for the trip of his life. He armed himself with axes, knives and chains, packed to his rucksack the most important zines, books and CDs with spiritual and ideological value…and he was ready to go. He reached to Swinoujscie without any problems. On the way he visited his friends from Thunderbolt (Karcharoth used to call them “my people” because he found and trained them). In Swinoujscie he took the ferry to Sweden . And he made one mistake because he bought one way ticket. So when he arrived to Sweden , he attracted the attention of the custom officers. They searched his stuff and found many interesting things. They arrested him. His mental condition was really very bad at that time so they did not know what to do with him. The next day they sent him back to Poland . Later the Swedish police wanted to use this event and spread the news that Polish Satanists came to Scandinavia to burn churches. Karcharoth described his trip in a letter to Witalis from Dead Christ Commune. In this letter he also mentioned his new friends from Africa that he met in Swedish prison. I must admit that at that time many BM people wanted to be true and they tried to prove it as Grishnackh did. But I think that Karcharoth was the most true of all of them…and it is a pity he did not accomplished his aims…

THRASHING RAGE Magazine '2005

8. GRAVELAND is one of the most well known pagan metal band and maybe the most controversed . Darken; what represent GRAVELAND for you, what are the genesis and the finality of your band?

Graveland is my passion. The aim of my life. The sense of my life. Everything I do leads to Graveland. Graveland is essence of all values I am faithful to…symbol of my revolt and resistance against everything I think is a threat to my freedom and survival. Graveland is a herald of White Man spirit. Unfortunately this spirit is relegated under the influence of destructive activities of anti-White front. But the spirit still lives in the blood and genetic memory of many White men and I believe one day it will rouse White people to fight for identity, rights and freedom. Multicultural ideology and inflow of no-Whites to Europe destroy Western civilization. Graveland will always summon White proud people to the battlefield. White Beasts of Wotan, war wolves will spill the enemy blood. At the sunrise in the bloody rays they will stand in the even ranks…with Sun symbols on their flags and shields…proud, unyielding and indomitable…under the sword of justice…enemy heads will be cut off…in the shadow of new forest of impaled traitors…rivers of blood will flow. There are many controversies about Graveland. To some degree it is my fault because I have always ignored what other people talked and wrote about me. I have not commented my deeds and statements. And many myths grew. If you are White proud of being White and proud of your forefathers faith, if you politically incorrect, if you dare to criticize the politicians and it you point at the existence of a strong powerful Jewish lobby supporting Israel – you are called nazi and anti-Semite. And the special institution start to persecute you. I am called ‘Nazi” but no one has any proof of my nazi background. They just repeat once heard someone else words having no proof of it. I must admit that it is kind of entertainment for me as people who hate me support me success. I have never tried to get fame or applause. I have not searched for mass audience. I have always walked against the current. But my band is famous. The world is changing and you must learn to fight for your rights. And stop being ashamed of being White…it is an honor not a disgrace!

INTERVIEW GRAVELAND ON WWW.TYRANNIE.COM '2006

9. Due to what reasons Christianity win over European paganism in ancient times? , Some say that because it was a tolerant spirituality …what is your opinion about that?

Pagan world could not adapted to those changes. Brutal power armed in perfidious lies invaded pagan lands. The then pagans did not understand those methods and it cause their collapse. The pagan world could not understand the essence of Christianity. And our Europeans ancestors behaved the same way as Native Americans. We could not imagine what a monster invaded their lands. Christianity slowly injected venom poisoning their souls and minds. The few who resisted were brutally silenced. Pagans could not comprehend the evil of Christianity. So they did not know how to resist such evil power and they lost. Hundreds of years of darkness came.

Although military success, Christianity was not able to break and overcome pagan beliefs. Traditions and beliefs of forefathers were practiced in secret. With the passing of time some pagan beliefs and traditions were adapted in a distorted form by Christianity. Some say that pagan beliefs lost because they were barbarian and primitive and Christianity won because it was modern and brought light and development. This statement is false. Just look at Japan. Pagan native religion Shinto is still alive in Japan and Japan is a scientific and economic power. Shinto did not stop progress and development.

INTERVIEW GRAVELAND ON WWW.TYRANNIE.COM '2006

10. Money and materialism are slowly killing the Christian Religion in Western Countries. Is it positive for you? I remember a citation that say ‘' The 21st century will be spiritual, or it will not be'' ( A.Malraux) What reflexion does it bring to you?

Money and materialism kill the spirituality. Fight against the spiritual life is the main aim of materialism. There are people of great power who think that they found a way to govern other people's will and character. They want to enslave natural instincts of fight for freedom. They want to replace it with the need of obtaining and accumulating material goods. These people aim to destroy all religions because faith is powerful and dangerous weapon. They want make us all “happy”…make us live in a world with no wars and violence…in a world ruled by the rights of supply and demand. But this system is based on exploiting others. There are rich people and poor people. And there are very rich people who consume their fortunes without any benefits for other people. Their superficial spirituality make them see everything from the angle of profits and loss. They indulge in carnal and mundane pleasures. The history knows this situation. It is a symptom of the coming falling of our civilization. Contemporary elite of rich and powerful people do not work for the well being and development of the civilization. They consume their fortunes on things that do not contribute to a development of our kind.

To survive a man must walk forward, must develop, conquer new lands, destroy barriers and obstacles. To do that, he needs an inspiration, spiritual power able to give meaning to his life. If we do not make any progress and we let the system enslave our minds and will…we will bury ourselves alive in piles of material goods. Do you remember cult movie “ Fahrenheit 486” ? Our contemporary world looks like to world from that movie. Even it is worse. I hear people talking about commercials as it was something interesting and worthy talking about! When I was a child, I remember my conversations with my friends. We talked about stories we read in books. These stories were interesting and inspiring for us. Today I do not meet people talking about books! We are surrounded by a spiritual desert! Movies, music, art become superficial. This is a deliberate action of the System. People raised up on such a superficial “culture” are easy to manipulate. Man manipulated by mass media does not have power to resist. He does not have power to think! He becomes only a very small cog in a machine…a machine that will consume itself one day. And the day of the collapse is coming.

INTERVIEW GRAVELAND ON WWW.TYRANNIE.COM '2006

11. What are your opinions about the whole acts of islamic terrorism these last years? What is your opinion on these men that can sacrifice themselves for a cause?

Sacrificing one's life for the freedom and well-being of others is a part of Polish culture and tradition. Many Polish heroes fought and died in the name of higher values. These historical events are described in novels, poems, movies etc. Famous Michal Wolodyjowski blew himself up in as he did not want to surrender the fortress he protected to Turks. There are many stories about heroic deaths from the times of fight against communists and nazi occupation. Many Polish partisans died in a suicidal missions. So if I am to comment Islamic terrorism, I cannot forget these Polish heroes. I was brought up on stories about Japanese soldiers, about kamikaze dying on war on the Pacific Ocean. Kamikaze was a holy soldier for me. At down, in the light of a rising Sun, after a ritual farewell they left into the death's arm, proud and overflowed with sacrifice…they become a history, a legend, a sign of the times they lived. Such people give reasons to treat their nation and culture as worthy of respect, admiration and of our memory.

I perfectly understand the reasons these people die in the name of Islam today. And I am terrified by the ignorance of the Western countries. Western politicians underestimate the idea of suicidal death for the freedom. Each of those men that sacrifice himself for a cause, gives strength and will to those who live. They become the part of Islamic culture…the heroes of Islam. And what Western countries do? What our politicians do to stop it? To protect Western countries citizens? They attack those fighter with superficial propaganda nonsense. And at the same confirm those Islamic fighters in the conviction that they are right. Such situation deepen the conflict and mutual incomprehension. How one can fight against something he does not understand? Muslims do not come to fight in our Western countries only because they do not have anything more interesting to do. They come because Zionism does them harm. They come to take revenge. The Middle East countries are rotting. The Middle East countries are eaten away by the lethal disease called Israel. This disease causes all conflicts. The development is suppressed. And people from Islamic countries come to Europe searching for better life and freedom. This is the bill we have to pay for false and misguided politics in that region. The bill for blind and liege support of Israel.

INTERVIEW GRAVELAND ON WWW.TYRANNIE.COM '2006

12. Music is not your only occupation what are your other projects? , tell us more about your painting and your participation in ancient & medieval reconstitutions. What bands, books, movies, etc… should you recommend to us?

I am interested in computer graphics and painting. I work on cover art of all Graveland and Lord Wind albums. I prepare it alone without any help. I am also keen on photography. I have to prepare all projects for t-shirts, CD covers, website etc. alone because I do not know anyone who could do this for me. I have very bad experiences from the past. So called “professionals” always screw up a job. So I am the only person I can trust and I can rely on. I prefer to do everything alone and then I am sure that people listening to my music completely understand everything I want to say. Graveland or Lord Wind music is not hardcore music. People respect this music and some of them treat it as a religion. To show respect to these people I must prepare great designs without any mistakes. I cannot let any “professional” from factory or computer designer screw up my job.

I used to take part in re-enactments of ancient battles and fight shows. Every year I take part in Viking Festival on Wolin Island . Sword fighting toughens your will, spirits and your body. Pagan beliefs and festivals of old traditions of our forefathers let paganism spread and develop. More and more people support this movement. In Poland paganism is not a sub-culture. From the very beginning of reviving the old pagan customs and beliefs, we took part in meetings and pagan rituals. And the reviving of ancient traditions took form of a pagan warrior cult. We took inspirations from eastern pagan beliefs and folklore of our lands…with some influences of Scandinavian and Germanic beliefs and customs. In Poland paganism has a different form than paganism in Western Europe . In Western Europe paganism is deep in Satanism and New Age. In Poland heathens develop their spiritual lives basing on Zadruga philosophy, Antoni Wacyk and Jan Stachniuk books, Veles book, Scandinavian and Germanic beliefs. But the most important are the bonds with the Soil, native beliefs and customs and purity of blood. I know many cult places in Poland . I have seen many pagan rituals and bloody re-enactments of swords fights. Now I observe new generation continue our work. In 2005, 1500 warriors and craftsmen took part in Viking Festival on Wolin Island . And the spirit of this great pagan meetings spread all over Europe . I am very glad that in Poland many young people practice sword fighting and ancient pagan native beliefs. This spirit will stay with them forever. No matter what they will do in the future. They are different than typical Western satanic BM young people lost among New Age, Harry Potter, A. La Vey and Exorcists. They are healthy strong White young people toughen by a sword and forefathers' beliefs.

INTERVIEW GRAVELAND ON WWW.TYRANNIE.COM '2006